Neutrinos go faster then light !
Neutrinos go faster then light !
Wow HUGE NEWS.... It appears Neutrinos might go faster then light..
That kinda changes EVERYTHING... Wow what a huge result..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484
Edit: This is the CERN conference announcing the results..
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384486
That kinda changes EVERYTHING... Wow what a huge result..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484
Edit: This is the CERN conference announcing the results..
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384486
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Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Exciting times!!!!!
Fantastic news!!
Fantastic news!!
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Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
It would appear to be new physics because I don't think (at least I haven't heard of) any theories that predict superluminal neutrinos.
Great article here.
http://blog.vixra.org/2011/09/19/can-ne ... erluminal/
and
http://www.theeternaluniverse.com/2011/ ... badly.html
I have learned through the vixra item that there will be a webcast friday to discuss this very subject.
New results from OPERA on neutrino properties
http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay ... fId=155620
Goodie!
oops from the vixra again "If you are wondering about theories that allow tachyonic neutrinos the least wacky one I can find is that neutrinos can take “shortcuts off the brane through large extra dimensions” "
Great article here.
http://blog.vixra.org/2011/09/19/can-ne ... erluminal/
and
http://www.theeternaluniverse.com/2011/ ... badly.html
I have learned through the vixra item that there will be a webcast friday to discuss this very subject.
New results from OPERA on neutrino properties
http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay ... fId=155620
Goodie!
oops from the vixra again "If you are wondering about theories that allow tachyonic neutrinos the least wacky one I can find is that neutrinos can take “shortcuts off the brane through large extra dimensions” "
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Awesome Harbles.. I shall watch...
Just awesome stuff...
New science is a impressive technical term
Courtesy of The Register.co.uk
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/22 ... neutrinos/
Web cast URL
http://webcast.cern.ch/
Just awesome stuff...
New science is a impressive technical term
Courtesy of The Register.co.uk
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/22 ... neutrinos/
Web cast URL
http://webcast.cern.ch/
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
I find it very sad the way some scientists and the press especially are jumping to the conclusion that neutrinos are travelling faster than the speed of light. It's as if... they want it to be true. No, sorry, mother nature doesn't work like that and the speed of light remaining a speed limit will be seen as correct, and the data of the OPERA experiment incorrect.
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Thats a pretty bold statement. What proof do you have that the OPERA experiment results are incorrect ? I am certain they would love to hear from you because they cant find anything wrong with the results and would like to disprove the results.
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Perhaps the reason that scientists would "like" this to be true is that if it is the case, then we have learned something new and unexpected about the universe. The only time one learns anything new as a scientist is when a well controlled experiment gives a result that is inconsistent with the current working hypothesis. Otherwise we're simply confirming things that we have other evidence for being correct. Faster-than-light speed would be very interesting, though I concur that there is probably some accumulated error that is the cause of the result. The scientists themselves indicate this possibility and that is why they'd like independent confirmation.jmc2000 wrote:I find it very sad the way some scientists and the press especially are jumping to the conclusion that neutrinos are travelling faster than the speed of light. It's as if... they want it to be true. No, sorry, mother nature doesn't work like that and the speed of light remaining a speed limit will be seen as correct, and the data of the OPERA experiment incorrect.
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Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Well! That was interesting.
Here's an Interview of OPERA's spokesperson Antonio Ereditato of the University of Bern and Interview of Dario Autiero CNRS researcher in OPERA experiment
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384466
Here's the paper.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897
It looks to this layperson's eye like they accounted for all the factors that may affect the results. But of course all the experimentalists are going to go through this with a fine tooth comb to try an spot the "Ah ha they screwed up here!" item.
So I'd say the results are sort of in limbo till some other lab can duplicate (or not) these findings. Hello T2K? http://jnusrv01.kek.jp/public/t2k/index.php
Then it's over to the theoreticians to explain it all.
Here's an Interview of OPERA's spokesperson Antonio Ereditato of the University of Bern and Interview of Dario Autiero CNRS researcher in OPERA experiment
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384466
Here's the paper.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897
It looks to this layperson's eye like they accounted for all the factors that may affect the results. But of course all the experimentalists are going to go through this with a fine tooth comb to try an spot the "Ah ha they screwed up here!" item.
So I'd say the results are sort of in limbo till some other lab can duplicate (or not) these findings. Hello T2K? http://jnusrv01.kek.jp/public/t2k/index.php
Then it's over to the theoreticians to explain it all.
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Wow, that's exciting. I definitely wasn't expecting it.
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
I have question, i think of most particles as an effective object with a pilot wave, while i see Neutrinos as only a wave. Is there proof that neutrinos are effectively also a particle? And in the concept of the a pilot wave, wouldn't it be logic that a neutrino wave could travel a fraction faster than a photon particle?
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Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
This is definitely worth watching. I started it with several hypotheses what could they have made wrong and they disproved all of them. They were unbelievably thorough at their measurements and verification and I don't see a single mistake there.Harbles wrote:http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384466
Yet I still think they must have made an error somewhere.
Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
Conservatism at its bestKasuha wrote:Yet I still think they must have made an error somewhere.
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Re: Neutrinos go faster then light !
And here's another good item on this news.
http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2011 ... photon.php
And photos of the packed lecture theatre for the presentation.
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384483
http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2011 ... photon.php
And photos of the packed lecture theatre for the presentation.
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1384483