Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Ivan, take a look at Dr strange Feynman's comment at the end of this topic.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-222867/ ... ost-740768
It seems like he has similar ideas to yours. I'm ashamed to admit it, but he managed to put doubts in my mind.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-222867/ ... ost-740768
It seems like he has similar ideas to yours. I'm ashamed to admit it, but he managed to put doubts in my mind.
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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Thank you Xymox!Xymox wrote:Magnetic Wasps ? Huge magnetic doughnuts ?
http://www.news.com.au/technology/bueau ... 5848774377
Yes, these patterns are beautiful. And magnetic wasps are better than the whole Earth explosion. But the date of this article is the 2-nd of April, the next day after the day of Fool.
Thank you Stephen!Stephen wrote:Ivan, take a look at Dr strange Feynman's comment at the end of this topic.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-222867/ ... ost-740768
It seems like he has similar ideas to yours. I'm ashamed to admit it, but he managed to put doubts in my mind.
Dr strange Feynman wrote:
Indeed, his text almost completely coincides with my thoughts about droplets of strange matter and impossibility to hold them.RE LHC and atom smashers, in the 7 reasons section and earthquakes:
There are concerns that millions of collisions/sec will produce strangelets of form USD (up-strage-down) or multiple of those in equal number forming a condensate of 3 types, neural charge (aether), pos charge, and a neg charge. The neg charge stranglet get stable (with the lowest A number for stable condensate and most reactive+dangerous form) when there are 200-500 S quarks in the condensate (like bose-einstein condensates but with dark matter s quark). Now if this is stable, CERN likely knows that it is. So, the only safe thing is to contain it an a magnetic jar (which is what the ring is) via its charge. Supposedly, by feeding this condensate neutrons, you can create energy and the mass of the condensate continues to grow. This is a dangerous kind of energy source since it can consume all baryons of our world if it got loose. Supposedly, they harvested this strange condensate at the 1 TeV collider.
I notice you fail to mention this. Also, micro-black holes are supposed to dissipate when in a high energy quark-gluon plasma. However, the claim is that with a vortex can cool the mixture and allow stable formation. The large number of reactions in a small space could allow combining of microBHs.
Hawking also says, that microBH will radiate energy making them an energy source. However, current satellites cannot see emissions from blackhole (not being fed of course) thereby reducing their mass. He claims particles jump back in time reducing the BH mass and other wild stuff not verified.
My concern is we don't understand enough about concentrated collisions producing large numbers of S C T B quarks and specifically formations of fermi condensates. This is mostly and issue in 2013 when collider reaches 14TeV as planned. Anything over 10Tev should make the Charm, Top and Bot quarks appear.
I suspect they are not just trying to prove the SM AND higgs boson but rather are looking for dangerous energy sources of unlimited capacity but if the break their magnetic bottle, we all die. Why else would they invest so much in it? Perhaps they know the probability of having 200-500 S quarks is too unlikely given the total energy input and the usd decay rate. However, we have models that we assume are correct that we are trying to verify—ie a circle unproven. Scary to me.
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
I hope you were joking Stephen, with your current background I'd expect you to see how inconsistent and absurd that post is...Stephen wrote:Ivan, take a look at Dr strange Feynman's comment at the end of this topic.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-222867/ ... ost-740768
It seems like he has similar ideas to yours. I'm ashamed to admit it, but he managed to put doubts in my mind.
I'm only missing Mayan civilization and aliens mentioned in it.
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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Stephen wrote:Ivan, take a look at Dr strange Feynman's comment at the end of this topic.
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-222867/ ... ost-740768
It seems like he has similar ideas to yours. I'm ashamed to admit it, but he managed to put doubts in my mind.
STEPHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you dare go back down this road Remember you are better than this
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted with large ones either by Albert Einstein.
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Of course these assertions are probably not true, but they still made me panic a little the first time I saw them. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
These things can actually be addicting. Si kicking the habit might be harder then it appears.
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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Well they do look ummmm very strange indeed, kinda awesome too thoughStephen wrote:Of course these assertions are probably not true, but they still made me panic a little the first time I saw them. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted with large ones either by Albert Einstein.
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
True, I just need to stop automatically being afraid out of every little thing.Xymox wrote:These things can actually be addicting. Si kicking the habit might be harder then it appears.
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Ivan,
On this most recent run something very weird happened, LHCb started recording some REALLY weird collisions.. Where the particle tracks are all bent by unseen magnetic fields that must be VERY powerful to bend these partical tracks so intensly..
On this most recent run something very weird happened, LHCb started recording some REALLY weird collisions.. Where the particle tracks are all bent by unseen magnetic fields that must be VERY powerful to bend these partical tracks so intensly..
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Just lots of really weird events
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
If you happen to see this while this run is going on you can see it here http://libris.nornagon.net/jca/lhc.htm
or here
http://lhcb-public.web.cern.ch/lhcb-pub ... EvDis.html
or here
http://lhcb-public.web.cern.ch/lhcb-pub ... EvDis.html
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Please stop scaring me. Does anyone have a possible explanation for this phenomena?Xymox wrote:Ivan,
On this most recent run something very weird happened, LHCb started recording some REALLY weird collisions.. Where the particle tracks are all bent by unseen magnetic fields that must be VERY powerful to bend these partical tracks so intensly..
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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
I have no experience in track computations. So, I can not make any conclusions about abnormal curvatures of the tracks.Xymox wrote:On this most recent run something very weird happened, LHCb started recording some REALLY weird collisions.. Where the particle tracks are all bent by unseen magnetic fields that must be VERY powerful to bend these partical tracks so intensly..
But I think, if microscopic magnetic holes were created, they can not bend the tracks of far particles, because the dipole field decreases drastically with distance.
Magnetic holes could be registered by huge ionization ability.
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Well I have watched this display for a year. I have never even seen something close to these events.
There were hundrerds..
Tracks just don't occur like that. They come from one point, the point of collision, and mostly pass in a very straight line directly into the detector. SOME are bent by the magnet slightly left or right and then into the detector. You can see the normal tracks. But these curvy lines and spirals... VERY ABNORMAL..
These.... Make no sense at all.
There was eventually some type of power fluctuation on the main power feeding the magnets and that caused the beam to dump. But it ran for hours looking like the above collisions..
Strange events... For sure..
Guys, im just reporting what we saw..
There were hundrerds..
Tracks just don't occur like that. They come from one point, the point of collision, and mostly pass in a very straight line directly into the detector. SOME are bent by the magnet slightly left or right and then into the detector. You can see the normal tracks. But these curvy lines and spirals... VERY ABNORMAL..
These.... Make no sense at all.
There was eventually some type of power fluctuation on the main power feeding the magnets and that caused the beam to dump. But it ran for hours looking like the above collisions..
Strange events... For sure..
Guys, im just reporting what we saw..
Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Did these collisions harmed the detectors or the magnets in some way? Did this strong magnetic field disappear after the beam was dumped, or is there any possibility in remained in the machine? Do you think it might be something dangerous, or caused by new particles detected?