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fbosman
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by fbosman » Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:09 pm
Just wondered. The speed being almost c, resulting in very high relativistic mass, and very high omega (10e5 to 10e6 or so), what is the gyrocopic effect of a one direction mass/energy flow through the LHC on the orientation of the rotational axis of the earth??
Anyone did the math?
Now that there are two flows in opposite directions they cancel each other out so no worries there

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CharmQuark
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by CharmQuark » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:14 pm
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pcatom
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by pcatom » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:51 pm
Just wondered. The speed being almost c, resulting in very high relativistic mass, and very high omega (10e5 to 10e6 or so), what is the gyrocopic effect of a one direction mass/energy flow through the LHC on the orientation of the rotational axis of the earth??
Anyone did the math?
Now that there are two flows in opposite directions they cancel each other out so no worries there

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The relativistic factor for the beams in the LHC is presently about 3400 (will eventually be twice this). This means each proton has a mass approximately 3400 times its rest mass.
There are presently around 2x10+14 protons in each beam, which is around 0.3ng (0.00000000003 grammes). With the relativistic factor, the mass of each beam at 3.5TeV is therefore around 1.2 microgrammes (0.00000012 grammes). The mass of the earth is 6x10+27 grammes ... 33 orders of magnitude bigger - so you don't need to worry too much about the LHC disturbing the earths rotation. In any case, as you pointed out, the counter-rotating beams in the LHC would cancel any overall effect out.
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icebati
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by icebati » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:43 am
Hi, i am also new
nice to meet you all
