Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:25 pm
Shadowdraxx is quite right. For the past few pages, I lost track of what you guys were talking about.
THE place to discuss the LHC
http://www.lhcportal.com/Forum/
Funny that You are asking; it is because I commented on the graph with the weird vectors that Xymox posted, and where it's preferable for cern to say that it's the software, while in fact it could also be input dependent. Remember your comment:Shadowdraxx wrote:why is this in Ivan's thread, talk about derailed
And if you know that some of the responses to the Toyota incidents are:Shadowdraxx wrote:Toyota are seriously looking into if cosmic rays are the cause of dodgy electronics on their cars. link
and because of this:"Cars are moving computers, and the electronics are the very heart of the car," said Ian Mitroff, emeritus professor of USC's Marshall School of Business and a consultant on crisis management. Unlike a mechanical problem, like a sticking pedal, the fix is not easily understood, he said.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/14 ... -2010feb14
MagneticTrap wrote:Magnetic hole is a condensate from “unknown bosons”. Minimal magnetic hole, able to ruin protons and capture resulting bosons, must have at birth at least 100-1000 such bosons. Mass of a single boson in a condensate is about 2/3 of mass of proton. 1/3 of mass of proton is equivalent to binding energy of one boson in this subnuclear BEC.@Magnetic trap: I'm not quite sure what you mean by "subnuclear BEC". Which particles exactly share quantum states in that case?
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I've been looking around for energy numbers and there is just nothing out there, only the stuff that these weird ColdFusion-guys are doing, I thought it would be interesting to post:Chelle wrote:Provide me a better reference of bosenova's than the ones I gave, with the energy numbers of the particles that are sprayed out, and we'll know if I misunderstood.Mailo wrote:The new theories are not any more valid, as they are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "bosenova" or a BEC is.
I can't help t say what about RadonThe reaction might indeed be endothermic but still generate disruptive forces. I'm just trying to think outside the box here, a bit, and my real interest, of course, is in what would happen with deuterium under similar conditions, if this could indeed be done with deuterium.... Might not be possible at all.
I can't assert that some impurity is there. But....
What if in the condensate, there is a rearrangement, and some electrons get absorbed by protons. That would convert the nuclei to a lower atomic number, and the nuclei would then have a positive charge and would repel each other, hence the "explosion." They might also become undetectable.
This may allow reactions like 2 Rb -> A + B + energy, where A is lighter than Rb and B is heavier than Rb.
Energetically Feasible Stable Bose Condensate Pairs X, Y
Resulting from Reactions of the Form: Rb + Rb --> X + Y + energy
----------- Equations follow for Rubidium, Rb, element 37 -----------
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Sr38 + 84Kr36 + 2.620 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 87Sr38 + 83Kr36 + 00.527 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 88Sr38 + 82Kr36 + 4.177 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 89Y39 + 81Br35 + 1.342 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 90Zr40 + 80Se34 + 2.193 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 92Zr40 + 78Se34 + 1.145 MeV
It is notable that one of the potential products is a gas, krypton, which might escape detection in the experiment if produced.
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As we mentioned in previous postings, any nuclear reaction with Rb is extremely unlikely, if we assume it is related in any way to a thermonuclear reaction.
HH: I think this is true. OTOH, the fact that a gas, Kr, would be produced from a Rb Bose condensate wave-function collapse, it is very tempting to think such a thing is possible.
JB: Well, I'm not sure why 'any gas' would be preferential,
It is not that gasses per say are preferential at all. It is a matter of energy. Only those reactions that yield net energy occur (at least according to conventional theory). When I gave the following reactions as the only "Energetically Feasible Stable Bose Condensate Pairs X, Y Resulting from Reactions of the Form: Rb + Rb -- > X + Y + energy", this means I checked all such possible reactions, and these were the only 85Rb + 85Rb reactions yielding positive energy:
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Sr38 + 84Kr36 + 2.620 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 87Sr38 + 83Kr36 + 00.527 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 88Sr38 + 82Kr36 + 4.177 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 89Y39 + 81Br35 + 1.342 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 90Zr40 + 80Se34 + 2.193 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 92Zr40 + 78Se34 + 1.145 MeV
When I backed off the energy by 2 MeV I got more:
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Kr36 + 84Sr38 + -0.425 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 85Rb37 + 85Rb37 + 00.000 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Sr38 + 84Kr36 + 2.620 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 87Sr38 + 83Kr36 + 00.527 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 88Sr38 + 82Kr36 + 4.177 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 89Y39 + 81Br35 + 1.342 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 90Zr40 + 80Se34 + 2.193 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 92Zr40 + 78Se34 + 1.145 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 94Zr40 + 76Se34 + -1.816 MeV
Now here is a much more interesting variation. When I allowed short half-life product nuclei and required net energy from each reaction I still obtained the first set of reactions. But, when I permitted radioactive products and an energy deficit of up to 2 MeV, this is the much larger list I obtained:
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 85Kr36 * + 85Sr38 * + -1.752 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Kr36 + 84Sr38 + -0.425 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 85Rb37 + 85Rb37 + 00.000 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Rb37 * + 84Rb37 * + -1.838 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 87Rb37 + 83Rb37 * + -0.662 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 85Sr38 * + 85Kr36 * + -1.752 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 86Sr38 + 84Kr36 + 2.620 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 87Sr38 + 83Kr36 + 00.527 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 88Sr38 + 82Kr36 + 4.177 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 89Sr38 * + 81Kr36 * + -0.431 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 90Sr38 * + 80Kr36 + -0.501 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 89Y39 + 81Br35 + 1.342 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 90Y39 * + 80Br35 * + -1.958 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 91Y39 * + 79Br35 + -1.921 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 90Zr40 + 80Se34 + 2.193 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 91Zr40 + 79Se34 * + -0.527 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 92Zr40 + 78Se34 + 1.145 MeV
85Rb37 + 85Rb37 --> 94Zr40 + 76Se34 + -1.816 MeV
The radioactive products above are flagged with a asterisk.
I think this speaks as to one aspect of why heavy element LENR tends to create stable products. The unstable products have larger masses, thus leaving no energy (or less energy) for the reaction to be pulled off as the deflated electrons gradually reduce their binding energy and escape the nucleus, thus permitting the most energetic reactions to occur first, thus tending to prevent the reactions which create radioactive nuclei.
In the case of Rb + Rb it is somewhat coincidental that *no* reaction is energetically feasible that creates a radioactive product. It is also true that no deflated electron energy deficits were involved in the calculations, but this case still demonstrates one aspect of how the creation of radioactive products is suppressed in heavy element LENR.
There is also the question as to why fission would be expected, and not typical small particle decays, e.g. beta, proton, or alpha decay, etc. One reason is that fission occurs when Z^2/A > 47. In this case (2*37)^2/47^2 = 32.2, so no fission should be expected, conventionally speaking. However, It seems to me that expanding wave-fuction electrons in the nucleus, post BEC collapse, likely exert a powerful influence on fission via nucleus kinetic interaction, vacuum energy supplied Schrodinger pressure, and negative nuclear halo production, all of which which expand the nucleus and tear it apart.
Source: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es ... 37525.html
Douglas Adams...Hitch Hikers guide to the Galaxy....not sure which one....Mailo wrote:micro worm hole through which a huge fleet of warships from aliens from Beta Centauri came through, and called by the tachyons of said wormhole a similar fleet of warships of the mortal enemies of Beta Centauri (Gamma Centauri) would swoop down from the sky to do battle above Lake Geneva, where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog. ... it would have pretty much equal likelihood of being true. Props to the one catching the quote