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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:35 pm
by CharmQuark
IVAN!!!!!!!

:angry-banghead: where are you :scared-eek: been nearly a year and a bit :violence-stickwhack:

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:22 pm
by Janelouise
Yeah Ivan, come on please... we really want to hear from you! :think: :? :icon-wink:

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:09 pm
by CharmQuark
I keep promising myself NOT to feed the troll :angry-banghead: but I can't help it I miss him :scared-yipes:

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:53 pm
by Janelouise
:lol: but I know what you mean Em. :)

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:38 pm
by CharmQuark
LOL :D we need Stephen here!!!! where is he :ugeek: he misses Ivan too :D maybe he is just happy!!! :shock:

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:40 pm
by Stephen
I'm right here. Yeah, I miss Ivan too. He's been gone for a long time now.

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:34 am
by Allan
Maybe his padded cell doesn't have internet access.

Allan

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:47 pm
by CharmQuark
Allan wrote:Maybe his padded cell doesn't have internet access.

Allan
Awww Allan I hope he ain't been locked up :roll: just hope he is getting on with life and forgetting about his magnetic holes :ugeek:

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:24 pm
by draph91
Xymox wrote:
Now I live as a prisoner, sentenced to be killed by CERN. My health is ruined. Who had ruined it?
YOU ruined it. You CHOOSE to believe something that is incorrect...

==YOU== are causing your own problems. NOT CERN...
what the bloody hell did he mean by that anyway?

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:40 pm
by chriwi
what he meand but couldnt describe convincing is that like there are black holes for the force of gravity there could also be similar singularitys for the electromagnetic force.
All this can be read in the beginning of this gigant thread.

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:54 pm
by Stephen
Speaking of which, tomorrow marks 1.5 years since we last heard from Ivan.

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:02 pm
by draph91
chriwi wrote:what he meand but couldnt describe convincing is that like there are black holes for the force of gravity there could also be similar singularitys for the electromagnetic force.
All this can be read in the beginning of this gigant thread.
i meant the "prisoner part"

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:42 pm
by Kasuha
draph91 wrote:i meant the "prisoner part"
While I don't sympathesize with his fears, I can understand this part. Living in EU where all sorts of regulations and rules - often rather ridiculous - are taking place in a way which I cannot affect gives me rather similar feeling. An example - there's a rule for how much can cucumbers deviate from being straight (note: not much). I don't know how others but I usually cut the cucumber before eating and after that it's rather irrelevant how much bent it was before. And there's no way to escape from that for me as well.

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:44 pm
by DCWhitworth
Kasuha wrote:
draph91 wrote:i meant the "prisoner part"
While I don't sympathesize with his fears, I can understand this part. Living in EU where all sorts of regulations and rules - often rather ridiculous - are taking place in a way which I cannot affect gives me rather similar feeling. An example - there's a rule for how much can cucumbers deviate from being straight (note: not much). I don't know how others but I usually cut the cucumber before eating and after that it's rather irrelevant how much bent it was before. And there's no way to escape from that for me as well.
That's fairly typical of the misinformation and myth that spreads about the EU. Quote from the EU - "Cucumbers do not have to be straight. There are grading rules, which were called for by representatives from the industry to enable buyers in one country to know what quality and quantity they would get when purchasing a box, unseen, from another country. Nothing is banned under these rules: they simply help to inform traders of particular specifications."

Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:36 pm
by Kasuha
DCWhitworth wrote:That's fairly typical of the misinformation and myth that spreads about the EU. Quote from the EU - "Cucumbers do not have to be straight. There are grading rules, which were called for by representatives from the industry to enable buyers in one country to know what quality and quantity they would get when purchasing a box, unseen, from another country. Nothing is banned under these rules: they simply help to inform traders of particular specifications."
I suggest reading the norm rather than listening to PR announcements.

There are three grades - 'selection', 1st grade, 2nd grade. Even 2nd grade has maximum bending specified and anything above it is not considered a cucumber according to this norm. And cucumber may fall into 2nd grade just because it's bent slightly above the norm for 1st grade - with inevitable consequence that you're not ever going to sell it for 1st grade price even though there's nothing wrong with it otherwise.

I can understand certain producers using machine processing may require straight cucumbers for their machines to be able to process them. But that's matter of negotiations between the producer and its vendor, it does not require a continent-wide general rule. And for home use it's largely irrelevant how much the cucumber is bent.

Actually this shows yet another problem with EU regulations - they're always slightly different from what the officials are saying about them.