Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:22 pm

Be sure Ivan will find a way to use it for his advantage.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Xymox » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:26 pm

ACTUALLY.....

The report confuzed me..

Really what it is saying is that magnetic fields produced by the supernova FOCUSED the energy and produced the gamma ray beams and acceleration.

The magnetic energy was a result of the supernova and a GRB was a result of the magnetic field created by the supernova..

This makes complete sense and fits into the standard model nicely. Sadly for Ivan.

Again, more proof Ivan is wrong.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:29 pm

STOP LHC.
Magnetic wasps are already registered.
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http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/i_am_insane/77754/
Yesterday midnight at LHC was world record in 1,2 TeV collisions.
Today morning magnetic wasps appeared in Norwegia
Magnetic wasps were predicted, as electromagnetic dipoles, moving as rockets.

http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ru.html

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:59 pm

No. Sorry.
That was unsuccessful launch of Russian rocket Bulava.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:04 pm

#13 2009-12-09 Launch from submarine («Dmitriy Donskoy» ?) in the White Sea. The missile malfunctioned creating a spectacular sight throughout northern Norway.[26] Failure
Have to say tho awesome display and its nice of you to get to the truth Ivan and post it, most honorable.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Danny252 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:54 pm

Mm, photoshop flavoured.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:08 pm

well it does look computer generated however thats because its time lapsed, it was a spiral effect as the rocket was out of control so looks even more awesome in a 5 second still :).


Here is an english media bit on it, (tho dramatised to be LHC/Project bluebeam/HAARP - wtf are those others ??).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... orway.html

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:02 am

I have to say these photos have freaked me out, but lucky I saw that it was just a missile. I'm glad you can admit to a mistake (sometimes). Tell me, what do you think about the fact we're not dead yet?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Xymox » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:33 am

Ivan,,,

You forgot.. Its not just Magnetic Wasps..... Its Magnetic Wasps of the Devil...

Come on, I expect more from you.

Very pretty when rockets take flight. I have not seen the space shuttle, but I understand its breathtaking. We get classified missile taking off from California so these types of things are fairly normal on the west coast of the USA..

ALSO Ivan, I am very disappointed that you didn't even mention my story about magnetic fields and GRB's ?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:45 am

Dear Xymox!
Tnank you for the link.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... agnet.html
Indeed, I wrote earlier that GRBs are tightly connected with magnetic holes.

Radius of magnetic hole is proportional to M^(1/3).
Radius of black hole is proportional to M.
If magnetic hole has cylinder like form these radii become equal approximately at M ~ 1/100 of solar mass. That explains repeated novae explosions.
If it has toroidal form the needed mass will be greater. That explains supernovae explosions.

At the moment of equality of these radiuses the collapse changes its nature: from magnetic into gravitational.

The energy released at the magnetic collapse is equal to 1/3 of mc^2 of destructed matter.
2/3 of mc^2 of destructed matter is transformed into the magnetic field of magnetic hole.
At the gravity collapse the rest 2/3 of mc^2 is also released in the form of short gamma ray burst, accompanied by flattening of the space, without any black hole forming.

Emitted gamma radiation will have the trace of magnetic field of magnetic hole.

Once more, thank you. You had given me one more proving argument of mh’s reality.
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by foofighter » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:11 pm

Hello Ivan,
Just a quick question about your probability's for destruction.

When you say 450 GeV is a 10% risk of magnetic hole (MH) killing us all, what is that per,,
Per 1 head on collision at 450 GeV?
Per 100?
Per 1000????

What number of collisions did you base this percentage on?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:32 pm

Thank you, foofighter.
I do not know the cross section of the reaction.
I think it is alike to cross section of W+, W-, Z bosons creation, but at different energy level.

Is it possible to create W+, W-, Z bosons at such rate of collisions as now: 2-3 collisions per second?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Xymox » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:13 pm

Ivan,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx8i5EfmYU4

and

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 64889.html

So no doubt you were wrong by saying:
Yesterday midnight at LHC was world record in 1,2 TeV collisions.
Today morning magnetic wasps appeared in Norwegia
Magnetic wasps were predicted, as electromagnetic dipoles, moving as rockets.
This was not a wasp of the devil. This was a failed third stage of a rocket combined with atmospheric optics and lit from below by a below the horizon sun.

Its very important to confirm your theories BEFORE alarming people with your guesses.

I think this was a perfect example of why you need to consider your actions.

Lets say you were allowed to tell the world what to do.

In this case you would have caused the entire world to run and take cover. The ensuing panic would have killed untold thousands of people and caused all manner of harm. FOR NO REASON ! After the truth was discovered the millions of people who you caused harm to with your unfounded statements of fact would no doubt come and do great harm to you for killing thousands of people.

You might want to carefully consider your actions. You might want to actually try and publish papers and show evidence of your theroies not just try and cause mass panic needlessly..

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:20 pm

You might want to carefully consider your actions.
Yeah u know its impossible to explain this to kids, and its always them that seem to be the most worried by this stuff, (the hear say chinese whispers rather than fear of the LHC) atm its not so bad, being kept out of the hyped up media.

Kinda goes like "scientist online reckons the world could explode"

by the tenth student goes like "one scientist said when the lhc turns on the earth will explode"

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:22 am

It reminds me of my experience. I was happily surfing the net when I suddenly saw a news article titled "scientists will bring the world to an end on Wednesday". After that I'm pretty sure I was close to having a heart attack. Luckily it was only a few days before the experiment, so my intense anxiety ended after the world didn't end, and I was relieved for a while. Then I found out the machine broke, so I started being afraid again. This time my anxiety wasn't that intense, but it still disrupted my life. I found the courage to search on the term online, and after a few months of reading reassuring articles daily, I realized there wasn't a basis for concern. I contacted John Ellis and a number of other physicists who explained to me why there's nothing to be afraid of. The sad thing is that I'm still worried. I started reading about stuff like asteroids, super volcanoes, false vacuum, atom bombs and other doomsday scenarios. Now I have the tools to educate myself on these stuff and find out we're safe, but it's depressing waking up everyday and thinking "what if scientists are wrong and the LHC will cause damage?"

I'm paranoid. :cry:

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